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Should I try to make a living from internet animations?

Posted by Steinberg - May 5th, 2013


Hey newgrounds, I quit my job a while ago because, well, I was working basically the whole day and getting the equivalent of 370 dollars per month... That's a little more than minimal wage in my country, it's not a lot to be slave of work.

So, I want to know, from you guys that made it or know someone who made it, is it easy? is it possible? am I good enough? should I try pursuing it?

You know, I really like animating, and I would animate on my free time anyway, but that means I would only have time to make like two animations per year if I balance it with work, and that's not much, and I love to create, I love to tell my stories, and living off the internet is the only way for me to be fulfilled and happy, plus, being paid in dollars, wich is more valuable than our coin... I'm not a sellout or anything, I just want to turn my passion into a job. So, I'm doing it without expecting a lot, but I want to know if it's worth to pursue it or if I should get a job again, but I can assure I will do it with love anyways.

I still have to upload my newer animations on youtube, but I think this one shows the different styles I can make: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvDYrptis5E

And here a example of something scripted I did: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/595970

I know I can do better, it's just that I havent worked on my new projects yet.

Also, don't worry, I will never abandom newgrounds :)

Unfortunately I cant make a living off newgrounds as I can off youtube (I think) =\
And, you know, I have my bills to pay...

So, should I go for it? Is it doable? Am I good enough? Do I suck? =P

Sorry for my bad english and convoluted text, I'm on sleeping pills =(

Also, thanks! :)


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Do whatever makes you happy mate. You're going to want to commit to your animation like it's your job if you're planning on doing it. It's a cushy position, let's you make your own hours, which doesn't give you a any deadlines or regulations to abide by.

See what you can limit your budget to and see if your animations can meet that budget. If not, I'd try finding a part-time job until you get a better following.

Until then, good luck mate. My hat's off to ya.

~Jacob Steakfries

see, a real job is like, 9 hours of work per day, if I animate 9 hours per day I can do two animations per month! real problem is motivating myself when I dont have a boss to yell at me... when I dont have time constraints... guess I should work on my discipline... about the budget, I can only be sure of how much I will get paid when I start getting the money from google ads and i dont know how many views I need before I get paid the first time... =\

You should try it man. It's a hard thing to try, but it'll be amazing if you succeed.

Aww yiss, think of all the freedom I would have, I would be able to work wearing jammies!

Living off the internet is a myth.

YOU are a myth, Damien. ;)

Eh, get a part time job, and then make animations. If the animations get horribly popular, then you may as well proceed.

yeah, guess the part time job should be the main thing :\

Unless your going to be paid a salary under a studio, I wouldn't consider it. I believe Egoraptor has a job outside of Game Grumps and his own animations.

I dont think he does have a job outside gamegrumps and his own stuff other than some comissions he did... I've heard he makes like, 10k a month with gamegrumps, but of course gamegrumps is fast to do and have a lot of fans so it's not for me...

And yeah, a studio would be ideal, but there aren't many in my country... =\

I think the best thing to do is to be open to commissionsJust show them that you have the animation capacities,and once you get a decent following on YT,you can start getting serious on your own stuff.Good luck dude!

Hmmm... I will do a little research on comissions, I dont know how much should I charge and what kind of work I would be good with... I try not to bite more than I can chew. I will look into it, it is a good start and actually would make me get more motivated than usual because I would ne pressured to please others... plus it would build a portfolio. yep! i'm going to research prices :D

Fuck all these idiots below me. Go for it with everything that you have. Market yourself and put yourself on a schedule and you will make it.

Awww yeah! I'm pumped!

what ponii said +
also team up with awesome gais on ng
(aka find people who are good at stuff)
if you want to

I tend to avoid teaming up with people because I always feel I'm not good enough for them, for instance, I feel bad asking for voice actors because I can't make their awesome voices justice... but, you are right, it's better to work with more people and I guess I should stop being such a overthinker about this stuff...

Damian what? I know several dozen people whose main income is youtube alone.

haha, Damien is being a dingus because he is my friend and want to crush my dreams :P

Just happened to stumble upon this post, and the most I can say, is always have a fall-back plan. That's all.

so far my fall-back plan is my parents, hehe... not very good of a plan... oh well =\

No idea where you live, but it may be more feasible for you than others if you live in a "poor" country. For example, game dev is different than animation of course, but plenty of game developers I know get paid similar amounts and because their countries cost of living is lower (than say US devs), they tend to do okay living off the internets.

IMO, its going to be hard to live off of your own content regardless of what you do. I think you should have something more stable in your life (part time job, etc) until you can prove to yourself that you can in fact make enough money to live off of the internet. I say go for it, but make sure you're secured first.

The poor country thing is what motivates me the most, being paid in dollar here is a great deal, that is why most people go to australia or canada or whatever and work cleaning dishes, they come back RICH! the money they make can be invested here and those people usually get very successful.

Anyway, I will go for it, thanks for the motivation! And I guess I will look for a part time job... yeah... that may even help me fix my crazy sleeping schedule so I can be more productive...

It's extremely unlikely to happen unless you have a secondary income for about 2-3 years and even then it can take longer, people you know like (Ego, Oney, Spaz) they've all been doing it for a really long time, 4-9 years now, they have the audience to live from making content. I'm trying, but it's a struggle for anyone starting out. You have to know the right people be willing to put countless hours of work into your projects to make them stand out and above all, you have to know that it could end up flopping.

it's sad that it may take so much time, that's the problem with this, is that I dont know if I will make it or not, so I may dedicate years and get nowhere... while I could use all this time for a college degree or in a real job... also it's sad that you are struggling with it too, I saw your movies and they are pretty awesome, you are a lot more talented than I. Oh well. Good luck for you :)

Almost no one can make a living off of the internet, no matter how memy or bandwagon their videos are. It can be enough to make a decent amount of scrap money to HELP pay for a living, but certainly not enough to solely live off of.

The only real way to make a living off of your animations is to animate for networks, since they pay you a rate for it (as far as my knowledge goes, that's what Spazkid does). Ad revenue from places like Newgrounds and YouTube will not be enough alone. But remember, 90% of it is luck, too.

Hmmm... Maybe if I try to do stuff in my own language and get into a small network in my country... Since we are lacking in good content around here... Hmmmm...

If google/networks pay you similar to the rates americans get, then with your lower cost of living it could be feasible. The problem is you have to build an audience first, and it's much harder to live off internet animation because of how freakin slow the production of content is. A live action youtuber can come out with a new video every 3 days, but as an animator, we're lucky if we can come out with a new video every 4 weeks!

Yeah, I still havent got any money so I really dont know how much it pays, I have to figure the emcp... I really hope the payments are the same since I make my videos in english and to the american audience... I think it's fair....
And yeahhh, animating takes time =\
I may try to pull off some live action though, but I'm not very goot at it at the moment so I have to practice before farting out bad content, which could damage my channel instead of helping it.
Anyways! Thanks for the input! notes taken!

Back up plan.
Have it.

Sacrifice.
Prepare to make it.

Ramen.
Get use to eating it.

Furniture and other nice things?
You don't need it. Sleeping bag/air mattress and rubbermaids work fine.

But yeah, go for it if that's what you want.

haha, inspiring! I will! ;)

You can make some decent income with videos on the internet strictly off of ad-based income, but it takes a hell of a lot of work to get to that point. To make enough for a production to be self-sustaining you must pair your work with premium content and/or other direct-sales stuff.

If you are really serious about it, you need to develop a solid idea from the ground up and then figure out how to market and monetize it directly. The process of learning and implementing this can take upwards of 10 years. I'm not kidding or exaggerating. You can cut that time down if you are doing parodies and whatnot, but know that it too is a highly competitive arena and your work will be at the mercy of pop-culture (when the franchise becomes unpopular, you become unpopular).

My advice; doing your creative work needs to feel as natural as brushing your teeth or taking a shower. If it is anything other than that I'd re-consider the idea of trying to make animated content monetarily successful.

yes! the biggest struggle is to create original chracters and stories, they are never as popular as parodies, it's kinda sad, but makes sense... maybe if i make parodies of non specific universal things, like, slice of life kinda things, or a parodie of "videogames" that is nonspecific to any franchise... but still, it's kinda sad that I have to build a audience with taht kind of stuff before I get my freedom... Anyway, thanks for the wel thought out response.

Well, your jokes are funny (in that video you linked) but it takes you forever to get to them. The video would be really funny if it was a minute long instead of five.

On Youtube, a short clip is best anyway. Just do, like, mini one-liner type things and put one out every few days. People will subscribe then, and they're more likely to link it or post it somewhere.

As for making money, I have no idea. I make money off Flash games, but that's pretty different.

Yeah, you're right, I have to work on my timing, it was my first serious attempt at something with voice acting, and the first script of the kind, so timing isnt my thing just yet.

I guess you are right about the shorter things too, youtube works better with that than newgrounds, and it will make my account more active and have more content faster, I've seen big channels with only 30 second videos, something that would never work on newgrounds...

Thanks for the reply!

the hardest and most time consuming thing is building an audience

also the problem with animation is it takes so long to make something unless you have alot of people helping in which case you;ll probably need to pay them

a good idea that came to me is to form your own studio- as a solo act you'll never get anything done- If you can find 3 or 4 friends who are commited then you can divide the work and create higher quality animations faster but its still a gamble

you are right about the studio thing, it's something I want to do but unfortunately there isnt any animators that I know who live near me, or anyone who would be interested in dropping everything and go for it and form a studio. I may one day try to move to another country though.

That said, I have one internet friend from newgrounds who wants to do a webseries with me, so we will se how that will turn out. :)

Thanks for your response!

Its a very difficult thing to achieve. But its certainly possible.
It may seem like an easy cushy job. But it takes a lot of hard work to build an audience. There were weeks where we saw no sunlight. You need to stay as active as possible and be able to provide excellent content each time. It will take some time to master that, even we haven't mastered our ability to knock it out of the park with our submissions. But we're getting to a point where we have to.

We recently took a chance with animating for YouTube and we are slowly but steadily making enough to live comfortably. Its certainly possible. But it is a lot of work. Its all about talent, time, patience, and a little bit of luck. People are attracted to hard work and persistence. But if its not moving enough, you really should consider your options.

Good luck <:)

Hey! I'm a fan of your work, and I am amazed of how many subscribers you were able to get in so little time, actually just seeing how many fans you got already is one of my motivators, of course I'm not as good as you but at least I have a good example of consistent work and of how building a fast audience can work.
I also know you live by your own with the girl that help you with the videos, so you have to pay for a house and all that stuff, I still live with my parents and they buy me food, plus being paid in dollars here is a really really good, so there's that to my advantage until I grow big :D
About being a lot of work and not seeing the sunlight, well, that is the hard part for me, I'm usually super demotivated and work better with a boss and a schedule... But I will try to motivate myself... We'll see...

Anyways! Thanks for the reply, I will try to show my audience that I am hard working and honor them with good content. :D

And good luck to you too, sir!